PROTOTYPE BRUSHLESS MOTOR OBJECTIVES
Top quality brushless motor
Speed feedback sensors built into controller
Top quality brushless controller
Best available power supply (even better if it can run from battery)
High quality motor bearing
RPM approx 300 rpm would be ideal (for similar size pulley as we use at the moment)
Small size and high momentum and quick start up time
Extra low vibration needed
Ideally we need a feedback check on the motor to maintain constant speed, a high quality brass bush bearing …or ball raced…should give little or no noise…
Especially if the motor RPM is low …even less vibrations/hum
High filtered mains power supply is expensive and in some cases unreliable …new lithium polymer or NIMh batteries will give stable power. So the operating voltage of the motor needs be very low…. and the big plus is that the power supply only needs be a simple charger …like a Nokia phone charger for example (just under 4volts for the NIMh batteries)
Plus.. in theory.. the more batteries you have the better!
Ideally we need the motor to fit inside existing space in all turntables…so little conversion is need to fit on any turntable
FLOPPY CONVERSION —–has all the above—–
BASIC FLOPPY DRIVE is very cheap…
But the electronics controlling it are very sophisticated and the bearing is very good quality… and can be replaced if necessary
Remove the top cover:
Normally just a few screws …or in this case just a screwdriver to lift up the back ends
Remove the screws on underside to take bottom cover off
Unit now needs the heads and metal floppy cage removed
@ The bottom 6 screws hold the PCB onto the metal frame
…Remove the 6 screws
Now we have the basic PCB visible
This is now getting to a stage we can almost test it…
The plastic strips on top of motor, I removed them with a sharp knife
(How to connect the correct pins and cheat the sensors will come later)
Spindle simply pulls off J – this makes cleaning very easy
Motor magnet and main spindle removed for inspection
Clock timer and processor controller now flipped under the motor board and test pulley fitted on top of spindle
We will be trimming the PCB smaller later
neat!!! -WORKING PROTOTYPE –
The 33-rpm and 45rpm 2-step pulley made from ally (will be turned down to ½ the size seen here look below)
Also the PCB area will be trimmed down to much smaller
And to save time I have glued the pulley on with super glue….
…The tidy up will come much later!
I have already got the sizes I need for the 33 rpm…the 45-rpm I have just guessed for the moment!
3.6volt NIMh battery powers this unit for days and days…current draw with the led fitted is 20ma ß- my meter must be faulty …surely!!
CONCEPT—– Nokia charger (or similar) can recharge the batteries…
Also the unit can be used worldwide. Used with your own phone charger!
I’ll need a simple charge- cut off- circuit…. the parts are cheap
BEARING removed …simple but high quality bush bearing with black nylon thrust plate…. we are going to isolate the main bearing from the PCB/…but still keep it earthed to the copper on the PCB (stops static)
Small amount of silicon rubber solution @ the bottom of bearing will isolate it much better @ this stage …plus the silicon will help make a seal to hold oil in our brass bush bearing
PULLEY tidied up- this 1 made from easy-machined aluminium 33 and 45rpm
FITTING TO THE TEST BED
Join pins 12 to 11 and 16 to 15 in the IDE connector…the power goes in the right hand side connector though the 5volt input
We can see the 2 pins bent here and easy 4 or 5volt input
Cheat the floppy insert sensors to make it think there is a floppy inserted
(you can stick them in with tape …or remove from PCB and put little shorts in
Ok, here we are running a old LINN inner platter /LINN belt… and almost the same pulley size as LP12….
the unit also has a variable resistor fitted (MORE ON THIS IN A MIN)…
and this is currently working our test bed model
I found this 800ohm resistor inline to the motor controller…
(by jumpering each resistor with a 1000ohm resistor to see if any speed change was possible)
Each floppy will be different…so if you want to try varying the speed you will need spend a few minutes checking
The basic floppy works fine without all this if you have a 2-size pulley for 33 and 45 rpm
I have piggy backed the variable resistor over the original resistor (as a safety net) to test with at 1st
So 2 choices vary speed with 1 pulley size
And single standard speed with 2 pulley sizes
The motor noise varies with speed selected …at standard speed its very quiet….so that’s worth the hassle of 2 speed pulley….on the other hand vary speed offers speeds of 16/33/45/78 rpm…maybe a little nosier …but ill work on that for part 3
Also coming next…we will rubber mount the motor, make new pulleys, cut PCB smaller and compare sound of single speed and vary speed motors
Now I have a working floppy motor I decided to make a unit that can have a removable pulley and magnet with 33rpm and 45rpm pulleys….
I wanted to make a new turntable to house it in.
I used to use “Henk the Fisherman” for my woodwork, but sadly he has now passed away.
I needed a new turntable to mount the floppy in… and this starts with the main bearing.
Here we can see massive steel bearing with a PTFE white liner.
The bottom plate is removable on this custom bearing…its almost silent in operation I’m using booster oil to make it ultra slippy!
Here we can see the bearing mounted into a solid wood base.
With rubber mounted feet.
I mounted the floppy motor recessed about 10mm under the wood… This is a 33rpm pulley.
The bottom of the deck is recessed to fit the batteries and floppy motor I’m using 4 x AA ni-cad batts.
The floppy is rubber mounted with stepped screws.
Things are almost ready.
Little switch makes life easy.
The wood rubber mounted feet have some bounce.
Finished…the floppy motor works fantastic…
I had to fit a LED to find out when it’s on because it’s so quiet!!!
Part 4 of the floppy will be all customers work.
I have finished what I started… it’s done its job very very well
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Thank you for the interest in the floppy conversion.
I’m nick Hammond
I saw your ideas maybe 6 years or so ago and used them. So it’s time I sent my thanks for you work!
My turntable has run faultlessly since my conversion.
My Thorens TD 150 motor was very worn so using your information I built a floppy motor in to it. My only concern was the short motor shaft and the side thrust generated from the belt tension and the overhang, so to rectify this I replaced the motor shaft using the exact same diameter precision ground and hardened needle roller much longer than the original with 3 Oilite plain bearings mounted in an oil tight alloy carrier with a bronze thrust plate to close the bottom. The shaft is a press fit into the rotor so is quite easy to change this bit. One does of course need a lathe to do any of this.
Also I extended the 16 wires to enable easier remote mounting of the other part of the board. The motor board was easy to fit in the original position using some rubber isolation pillars from Maplin. I calculated the diameter of the motor pulley and made it with a slight crown to stop the belt wandering.
I think I used a Sony floppy disk with 16 poles.
I run this from an external power supply using 2 sets of 4 AA NiMH in parallel (4 x 1.2 =5V) all mounted in a nice extruded alloy box with LED on off switch, output socket and charging socket. It runs for ages between charges.
The speed is spot on and I am still happy with my set up. The case and all parts are internally damped either with rubber or cork/rubber composite, V15 cartridge with Jico SAS in SME 3009 11 complete the turntable.
Regards Nick Hammond
Nickbsa650@btinternet.com
hi nick
how about some pictures of the job?
bw
j7
I will take some pictures when time permits and if I can work out how to post pictures!
ahh thats great!! your welcome to email them to me and i can get that sorted 🙂
Hello Jonnie. I have now taken lots of pictures of my “Floppy modded” Thorens TD 150 can you give me an email address so I can attach some pictures.
Regards
Nick Hammond
hi nick
if you can send them to info@audioorigami.co.uk would be great …im looking forward to seeing them
bw
j7
Hi Nick,
I would be grateful if you could send me some pictures and details. My email is etherman55@yahoo.com.
Regards.
sorry I dont have any more pictures of the floppy project “:(
bw
j7
Very nice idea, neatly executed.Hope to do a similar piece.
Have a project essentialbut tonearm is no good it will not work at all, can i send it to you to fix and upgrade this so called tonearm, or replace with a Rega tonearm that will fit on a project turntable, any advice with aprox’ cost would be fantastic, i await your advice Johnny, i still have your 0EM202 on my Manticore Mantra which i love, project is to be my every day system front end yous hopfully. Darren
Very cool.
I a came across your post as I was researching dc motors and controllers for a turntable thatI would like to make.
Best,
Larry
Hey, my name is Ella. I’m in year 8 and in science we are studying physics. For my project I thought it would be interesting to investigate the relationship between manmade sound and motion, so I’m going to create a turntable using old parts and a floppy disk drive! Love your work mate,
Ella
Hi ,
I made a 5″ floppy disk motor for my turntable and wprks great. I did not manage to make teh varuable speed as my knowledge of electronivc is close to zero. Can anyone help?
im sorry I have not worked on this project for a long time…maybe a electronic repair forum can help?
Hello, just finished the project. It works great. Thank you